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nameandnature) wrote2005-01-29 11:21 pm
nameandnature) wrote2005-01-29 11:21 pm
Different Tan
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ladysisyphus writes about why she is a Christian even though she cannot say unequivocally that Jesus Christ is her Lord and Saviour, which, as we all know, is the litmus of such things. People who thought that the Jerry Springer entry was intended to imply that I believed all American Christians were nutters, take note: there is at least one who is not. andrewducker says what I'd have said about truth and facts, in a conversation which reminds me of those I've had with cathedral_life.People who read Hebrew might want to have a look at the huge thread on Creationism that developed under my post here, since some of it relies on what I suspect are standard Creationist assertions about the Hebrew used in Genesis. Or you might not: after I while, I learned to avoid the Creationism threads on uk.r.c, only popping out occasionally to ambush people with physics.
There are more photos of the musicals party, to add to bluap's. My camera's rubbish in low light, alas.
Random Flash linkage: To Kill A Mockingbird, Numa Numa. Been doing the rounds, but I mention it in case you've not seen it.
Update: I got a comment from someone recommending the CICCU mission talks this year (which have now been and gone). This has started a debate on whether God is just. Read all about it in the comments inside.
Re: This year's CICCU Main Event - DIRECTION
I would say that that shows fairly clearly that God cannot be omnipotent. Unless God chooses for some reason not to be omnipotent to create such a rock, in which case he loses his omnipotence by choice.
If you believe you have found one please do post it as a thorough logical arguement
OK, I'll give it a go - I'll pass this thread on to a friend of mine who is much better at explaining these things than I.
What about this:
- God would not create evil
- God is the only being capable of creating things
- Evil exists
- If only God is capable of creating things and evil exists either God is not the only being capable of creating things, evil does not really exist, or God does not exist.
or- God is omnipotent and omniscient
- God is the only being capable of creating beings
- God would not create evil
- Evil is defined as rebellion against God
- Given two, three, and four: God would not create a being who would rebel against him
- God created the devil
- The devil rebelled against God
- Given six and seven: God created a being who would rebel against him
- Given five and eight: God cannot exist
or- God is perfectly just
- Men commit sin
- If God is just, then God will punish the sin of men
- God can punish Jesus for the sin of mankind
- Hell is the punishment for sin
- Hell can be avoided if Jesus is punished in someone elses place
- God is perfectly loving
- God is able to save anyone
- God can choose who to save
- It is more loving to save everyone than it is to save some
- Not everyone is saved
- If everyone is not saved then God is not perfectly loving
or- If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
- If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
- If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
- If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
- Evil exists.
- If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
- Therefore, God doesn't exist.
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