Different Tan

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ladysisyphus writes about why she is a Christian even though she cannot say unequivocally that Jesus Christ is her Lord and Saviour, which, as we all know, is the litmus of such things. People who thought that the Jerry Springer entry was intended to imply that I believed all American Christians were nutters, take note: there is at least one who is not. andrewducker says what I'd have said about truth and facts, in a conversation which reminds me of those I've had with cathedral_life.

People who read Hebrew might want to have a look at the huge thread on Creationism that developed under my post here, since some of it relies on what I suspect are standard Creationist assertions about the Hebrew used in Genesis. Or you might not: after I while, I learned to avoid the Creationism threads on uk.r.c, only popping out occasionally to ambush people with physics.

There are more photos of the musicals party, to add to bluap's. My camera's rubbish in low light, alas.

Random Flash linkage: To Kill A Mockingbird, Numa Numa. Been doing the rounds, but I mention it in case you've not seen it.

Update: I got a comment from someone recommending the CICCU mission talks this year (which have now been and gone). This has started a debate on whether God is just. Read all about it in the comments inside.

Comments

Re: This year's CICCU Main Event - DIRECTION

[nlj21.livejournal.com]

Does it follow from your statement that in your opinion is the world removed from logic?

I think this covers many points. I do not believe the world is removed from logic, what I think we, or scientifically minded people like myself, do is create logical systems to create models which fit the world around us. These models aren't the real world, but the are useful to understand it. These are what the laws of physics, and every other scientific theory are: models which make sense of the world around us. So our models and the world aren't the same, but they would appear to have a connection, exactly what it is I'm not too sure I can describe. (Maybe someone else who studied HPS might be able to help?)

When you talk say things like contradictory and illogical you do have to make sure you have described the system you are working in.

So if there is a clear contradiction your answer is what exactly? One might wonder if there is anything you could be shown that would end your belief.

You can end my belief by showing me a view of the world which covers the variety of different areas of life that Christianity does; makes more sense of the things which are hard to understand in Christianity; and contains a better hope than that which I have in Christ crucified. If you have found one: do tell me!


Some Christians (presumably including yourself) would say that they experience God's presence internally, or that they have a personal relationship with God - unfortunately people have these kinds of experiences in other religions as well, so that's hardly a reliable source of evidence!

I would say the Christian experience is an internal confirmation (by the Holy Spirit) of the external evidence in the bible. So can be both subjective and objective at once!

Oh, on a side note, may I suggest it worthwhile investigating if historians find primary or secondary sources to be more accurate. And what exactly are good criteria to decide if someone existed, etc..